The Lead Up Podcast

Episode 217 Breaking Average Leadership with Paul Gustavson

January 13, 2021

In this episode, Mike is joined by special guest Paul Gustavson where the topic is perseverance and why it is so important.

They talk about Paul's book Breaking Average : The 7 Critical Factors to Team Strong Leadership, where Mike is a contributing author.  The book is wrapped around the idea of victory.  They discuss how we are all called to break average and be more than we are now. It's team strong leadership, it's breaking average teamwork that makes the dream work. 

Paul shares how we need to cast a vision, we can't leave that to somebody else. You need vision but it has to be backed up by values. Start with a value inventory.  What are your values? Then you can get clear on your vision.

If you need help getting clear on those values, you can email Mike at and he will be glad to guide you through defining your values.  

Paul shares, "if we want to make an impact if we truly want to add value, that means we've got to be something more than we currently are today."

The resistance that we feel is actually an indicator that you're probably heading in the right direction and we got to take that head on the wind that's in our face, move forward, and persevere.

We all want victory at the end of the day, and we want sustained victories, not just one-time victory, it's continual impact, we continue to do that. And that's what breaking average is all about

Paul Gustavson has a passion for what he calls full spectrum innovation, which is centered on personal, technical, and corporate growth. In 2000, he helped cofound SimVentions, Inc., a technology firm that delivers engineering solutions for today’s military. SimVentions is frequently recognized as one of Virginia’s Best Places to Work and was named by Inc. Magazine as one of “The 50 Best Places to Work in 2016”. As the CTO, Paul leads in identifying and contributing to the company’s capability and influencing the strategic vision. Paul is an author of the recent book Breaking Average and Leaders Press On. Paul is also the co-host of the Breaking Average Podcast. As a leader with an engineering background, he is also an active member within the simulation and virtual reality communities. Paul and his wife Barbara live in Virginia.

About SimVentionsSimVentions tag line “Imagine. Create. Explore. Discover.” represents a culture centered on employee ownership, customers, and community. They are a technology firm supporting today’s military with innovative engineering solutions, and currently have over 300 employees across four locations. The core values for SimVentions include Customer Passion, and Continuous Development among others, and their purpose is marked with a commitment to operate using biblical principles. SimVentions is headquartered just south of Washington D.C. in Fredericksburg, VA, and you can find them on the web at


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